't be allowed. >> the president of the nra -- sorry, go ahead. >> the whole thing with the magazines, you know, that carry 30 bullets, is crazy. first of all, an assault weapon, and that's what we're talking about. becomes an assault weapon in most cases once you connect it to that magazine. so a lot of these guns are sold as single-shotguns, but all you have to do is connect it with that 30-round magazine and all of a sudden you have a very destructive instrument, which, by the way, has really been designed in essence to kill people. people don't go hunting with 30-magazine clip semiautomatic weapons. they don't protect their homes with these instruments, these instruments are for killing. that's what they're for. and we have to limit that. we talked about the magazines, about permitting, and we have to have an assault weapons ban that works, and has a broad definition so manufacturers don't sneak things by them. >> as you know, the president of the nra said yesterday a ban won't be able to get through congress. to that you say what? >> if it doesn't, it's because the nra won't let it happen.